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PostPosted: Thu 11:50, 02 Aug 2007    Post subject: Questions about basics

Hello!

I am a Jyotish enthusiast and I've become extremely interested in this topic.
I 've got two questions the answers for which are going to be very useful in my understanding of Jyotish and horoscope reading.
They go as follows:
1. What does it mean that a planet is exalted or debilitated? Can you give some examples of this phenomenon?
2. What is a malefic and benefic in a horoscope? How does it influence horoscope reading?

Thank you in advance for your replies.


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PostPosted: Thu 11:58, 02 Aug 2007    Post subject:

Avastha show ideals and richness
Exaltation (uccha) and debilitation (neecha) is part of Avastha which is called Deeptadi-Avastha. It depends on sign placement (but also degree) where the Graha is posited. For example Surya which is related to spirituality will not feel good in Libra (which is Rasi of enjoyment and natural seventh bhava). Therefore Phaldeepika states that effect of exalted graha is overcoming enemies with power of one's valour. Exalted Graha have full potential (its full of rays) to give to the native (if in kendra/kona) which Its own karaka, bhava and lordship placement (blessing). While karaka for debilitation is Sanidev and shows rather low possibility and ideals, but sometimes debilitation is very good.
Subha/Asubha shows mood and kindness
Now benefic (subha) / malefic(krura) is related to mood of the graha. Like person can be poor (debilitated) but nice and kind (benefic). Malefics have potential to curse and they show bad emotion like fear (sani), neurotic behaviour (rahu), erratic behaviour (ketu) etc. Benefics are Jupiter, Shukra, Buddha (if with benefics), Moon (if strong), and malefics are Surya, Ketu,Mars,Sani,Rahu.

If we can connect these two principles then we will reveal main patterns of chart.


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PostPosted: Thu 12:22, 02 Aug 2007    Post subject:

Hare Raama Krishna,
Namaskaram,

What a wonderful post. Kindly let me, Guru Ji, add some thoughts to this important topic. Dear Kajol, you have touched the subject matter of Avastha, namely the planetary states. It is a far more complexed issue than just whether a planet is exalted or not. Therefore I suggest you further reading, especially the classics, like Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra. In chapter 45 of this book, verse 5, Parashara Muni enumerates states that a planet can be in: exaltation, own sign, friend or neutral sign, enemy's sign and debilitation. In the next verse he says that in exaltation and own sign a graha can give full results. When it is in friendly or neutral sign it can give medium results. When a graha is debilitated or in an enemy's sign it can give no results.

Let's take an example. If you study a certain chart and look for exalted and debilitated planets, you can see that a bhava in which an exalted planet is becomes a source of happiness or enjoyment. It prospers. On the contrary a bhava in which a debilitated planet is becomes the source of opposite feelings/experiences. This is a very basic and general rule. So let's apply it – let's take two cases.

In one chart the lord of the first house, namely the lagnesh, is debilitated. In the other chart the lagnesh is exalted. In the first case a person can be troubled by diseases, as per Parashara Muni (BPHS 12.1-2). The person with exalted lagnesh can be more healthy, self confident etc. His first house propsers due to an exalted planet. This was a lordship based example.

Let's take a different example. In one chart there is a debilitated planet in the fourth bhava. In the other chart there is an exalted graha in the same bhava. The first person could have a difficult upbringing and may have suffered problems at home etc. The other person could have experienced more happiness related to home.

In this way one can study the chart and see the results of various houses. However you must also be aware that there are exceptions and, as my Guru Ji wrote, it is sometimes better for certain grahas in certain bhavas to be debilitated. Another thing is that there are also other rules one has to know that should be applied simulaneously. For instance, one can have an exalted planet...but it can be cursed.

As far as the benefics/malefics are concerned - the grahas (or planets) have many properties the jyotish must become familiar with. One of the basic ways in which the grahas are classified by the sages is the division into saumya and kroora; benefics and malefics respectively. The words 'malefic' and 'benefic' relate to the emotions or nature that certain graha carries. Malefic grahas carry bad, unpleasant emotions. Benefic grahas carry nice and pleasant emotions. One has to study and understand this thoroughly, because the results given by plantes are based on their nature. For instant Shukra, natural benefic, can give pleasant and charming personality if it is in the first bhava. Exactly the opposite may be experienced if Shani is there instead. In Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra and Saravali you can find other important qualities of the grahas. I highly recommend you these books, if you want to grasp the whole concept better.

I hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Fri 12:18, 03 Aug 2007    Post subject:

Dear Prabhu,
Thank you for your quick and exhaustive reply. It aided me a lot, along with Pablo's answer, to grasp the concept. Both repiles treated the subject matter professionally.

Prabhu, you wrote that:

rafalgen wrote:
Exalted Graha have full potential (its full of rays) to give to the native (if in kendra/kona) which Its own karaka, bhava and lordship placement (blessing). While karaka for debilitation is Sanidev and shows rather low possibility and ideals, but sometimes debilitation is very good.


I would like to kindly ask you about the dentoation fo some words you used, namely:
- kendra,
- kona,
-karaka and
- lordship.

I found these terms while I was looking at someone’s horoscope. Can you or anyone else provide me with an explanation and maybe some instances of these phenomena in a horoscope?

- malefics in 3 kendras (what is a kendra?)
– Jupiter and 4th lord in mutual kendras, strong lagna lord (mutual kendras?)
- some planets own a kendra and a kona (kona?)
- amatya karaka in own sign or exaltation sign (amatya karaka?)

I do appreciate all your effort!
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PostPosted: Fri 12:23, 03 Aug 2007    Post subject:


Anonymous wrote:
Dear Prabhu,
Thank you for your quick and exhaustive reply. It aided me a lot, along with Pablo's answer, to grasp the concept. Both repiles treated the subject matter professionally.

Prabhu, you wrote that:

rafalgen wrote:
Exalted Graha have full potential (its full of rays) to give to the native (if in kendra/kona) which Its own karaka, bhava and lordship placement (blessing). While karaka for debilitation is Sanidev and shows rather low possibility and ideals, but sometimes debilitation is very good.


I would like to kindly ask you about the dentoation fo some words you used, namely:
- kendra,
- kona,
-karaka and
- lordship.

I found these terms while I was looking at someone’s horoscope. Can you or anyone else provide me with an explanation and maybe some instances of these phenomena in a horoscope?

- malefics in 3 kendras (what is a kendra?

– Jupiter and 4th lord in mutual kendras, strong lagna lord (mutual kendras?)
- some planets own a kendra and a kona (kona?)
- amatya karaka in own sign or exaltation sign (amatya karaka?)

I do appreciate all your effort!


#1 Kendras are 1,4,7,10. Bhavas of support and attitude.

#2 Mutual kendras refer to Paraspara Karaka = 4,10 bhavas - this concepts refers to help we get from others.

#3 Trikona is concept of fortune & time. First, fifth and ninth.

#4 AmK is planet who has highest longitude after Atmakaraka. It refers to our microscopical soul view on matters related to career and mission in society.


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PostPosted: Fri 12:23, 03 Aug 2007    Post subject: Guest - Kajol

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PostPosted: Fri 12:52, 03 Aug 2007    Post subject:

Hare Raama Krishna,
Dear Kajol,
Namaskar,

You have touched so many issues. So let just do it step by step. Kendra to a house means 4th, 7th, 10th house from this house, any house. Kendras, as Guru Ji said, mean support. Let's take an example of Lagna. It is the base for the whole chart. One may say that it represents the person in the chart. This person or the Lagna then is supported by the Kendras – 4th, 7th, 10th house. And, if you have studied the bhavas, the support these houses give/represent will become clear to you. 4th house means upbringing, your home etc. 7th house means your partners, wife etc. 10th house means your work and so on. What is your position without these? You have no support, right? So, these are the kendras.

Trikonas are 5th and 9th houses from any house again. From Lagna therefore it is 1st, 5th and 9th house. These are again very important houses. 9th house means your past, 5th house means your future. If you have studied the bhavas (which you should do to grasp this general knowledge) you should also know that these are also your children (5th) and elders, authorities, father (9th) etc. Good or bad future and past, as well as the support from/good relationship with elders and children are crucial factors that may shape your life.

Therefore both Kendras and Trikonas are extremely important in the chart. There is much more to it, still. I hope that helps for now.


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PostPosted: Fri 13:40, 03 Aug 2007    Post subject:

Hare Raama Krishna,
Namaskaram,

Dear Kajol, you have also asked about Amatya Karaka. I have translated Karaka in my previous post as significator. The actual meaning of this word is derived from sanscrit and it looks as follows: 'kara' means 'to do', so 'karaka' means 'the one who does'. Now there are three main divisions of Karakas, namley charakarakas, sthira karakas and naisargika karakas. They corrsepond to different levels of our concsciousness, and the self. Charakarakas relate to the soul level, and one of them is Amatya Karaka. Charakarakas are eight in number and represent eight forms of bondage stated in Shiva Purana, namely the prakriti, ahankara, buddhi and the panca tattva.


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PostPosted: Fri 13:59, 03 Aug 2007    Post subject:


Pablo wrote:
Hare Raama Krishna,
Namaskaram,

Dear Kajol, you have also asked about Amatya Karaka. I have translated Karaka in my previous post as significator. The actual meaning of this word is derived from sanscrit and it looks as follows: 'kara' means 'to do', so 'karaka' means 'the one who does'. Now there are three main divisions of Karakas, namley charakarakas, sthira karakas and naisargika karakas. They corrsepond to different levels of our concsciousness, and the self. Charakarakas relate to the soul level, and one of them is Amatya Karaka. Charakarakas are eight in number and represent eight forms of bondage stated in Shiva Purana, namely the prakriti, ahankara, buddhi and the panca tattva.


What are the planets for this eight? Some propositions?


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PostPosted: Fri 15:14, 03 Aug 2007    Post subject:

Hare Raama Krishna,
Namaskar Guru Ji,

Yes, so Rahu stands for prakriti, Surya stands for ahankara, Chandra for buddhi, Buddha for prtvi tattva, Shukra for jala tattva, Mangala for agni tattva, Shani for vayu tattva and Guru for the aksh tattva.


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PostPosted: Fri 15:47, 03 Aug 2007    Post subject:


Pablo wrote:
Hare Raama Krishna,
Namaskar Guru Ji,

Yes, so Rahu stands for prakriti, Surya stands for ahankara, Chandra for buddhi, Buddha for prtvi tattva, Shukra for jala tattva, Mangala for agni tattva, Shani for vayu tattva and Guru for the aksh tattva.


Excellent! This will be important for Atmakaraka.


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PostPosted: Mon 17:10, 06 Aug 2007    Post subject:

how can one predict number of siblings? Along those same lines, how can you predict lack of siblings or being the youngest sibling?

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PostPosted: Mon 17:20, 06 Aug 2007    Post subject:


ss7 wrote:
how can one predict number of siblings? Along those same lines, how can you predict lack of siblings or being the youngest sibling?


There are many rules. You can judge this by seeing slokas in Parasara, but take the AL as the starting point (= 3 and 11 from AL). There is also usage of Ashtakavarga, Navamsa passed and Nodes in D3. The forth bhava is maraka..in D3.


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PostPosted: Tue 17:59, 07 Aug 2007    Post subject:

Hi,

This is great to understand exaltation, debilitation. This is the details of a girl, I know. DOB Nov8, 1979, place- Visakhapatnam, Andhra Pradesh, Time 10.03 PM. She has Sun debilitated in Rasi chart, exalted in Navamsa. Was poor and ordinary, is rich after marriage. Married on Nov24, 2004. er Father never had a good job, but Father-in-
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PostPosted: Wed 12:22, 08 Aug 2007    Post subject:


Anonymous wrote:
Hi,

This is great to understand exaltation, debilitation. This is the details of a girl, I know. DOB Nov8, 1979, place- Visakhapatnam, Andhra Pradesh, Time 10.03 PM. She has Sun debilitated in Rasi chart, exalted in Navamsa. Was poor and ordinary, is rich after marriage. Married on Nov24, 2004. er Father never had a good job, but Father-in-


Yes, thats the mechanism as Navamsa shows marriage.


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